Comments on: Can SF Learn from the San Jose Bike Party? Yes!

By: Peter Smith

Peter Smith — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:43:46 +0000

p.s. SJBP gets some positive press. or not.

By: Peter Smith

Peter Smith — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:49:10 +0000

adding, for all the hippie-lovejoy-happiness that SJBP may enjoy, the real question is, will it translate into bicycle infrastructure? so far, it has not.

that’s what i’m after with critmass — a better future. and that, to me, means challenging authority, conventional wisdom, etc. So, critmass must be confrontational. if there was ever a movement that achieved its goals by _not_ being confrontational, i’d like to know about it.

and maybe the purpose of SJBP is just to ‘build community’ instead of ‘challenge the exclusive access to the roads that cars claim’ — if so, comparing CritMass to SJBP is like comparing a civil rights demonstration in the old South to a jogger staying to the right on the Embarcadero so a bicycle rider can pass — apples and oranges.

as for hoping that car drivers will really really like bike people just because a bunch of people ride their bikes around on the 3rd Friday of every night — i don’t believe it will work. you never know — kill ‘em with kindness — lord knows it’s been a struggle in SF and everywhere else, whether CrtiMass has been present or not — maybe the SJBP tactic will work better (again, assuming being allowing to ride one’s bike on the streets of SJ is an actual goal of the group/ride, and if it is, it is not stated on the website).

By: Peter Smith

Peter Smith — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:32:57 +0000

i did the SJBP this last time around. it was funnish and interesting, but i bailed after the first few minutes — just wasn’t my thing waiting around at red lights constantly. to each their own.

in any case, i’d be happy to have SF try to do a SFBP one time — that is, obey all the red lights. it might, at long last, get the drivers off our backs. we’d back up traffic in every direction for miles.

and the idea that bikers would leave a passing lane for cars is obscene. the whole idea of critmass, for me, is to not be terrorized by cars for a couple of hours a month — is that too much to ask?

and why don’t cars leave a lane for me when i’m riding my bike?

all that said, i didn’t see anyone at the SJBP leave a lane for cars. saw a lot of people running red lights, tho most did stop.

let’s do it once — SFBP. it’ll be a glorious disaster, and i can’t wait!

By: Amber

Amber — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:36:56 +0000

Unfortunately critical mass has a bad reputations in the minds of the masses, especially in the bay area. The news portrays it as a bunch of crazy bicyclists out to destroy cars. I find myself explaining to people why the riders run red lights and that any violent episodes were rare and probably provoked by an aggressive driver. It is really hard to break other people’s stereotype of the event.

SJ Bike Party loves critical mass but the planners actually wanted to avoid the image and label because it comes with such negative connotations. Unfortunately even our own riders believe the stereotype.

By: ericRynne

ericRynne — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:30:18 +0000

I read your blog and at the end you talk about how you are disturbed that people have the wrong impression about what you are about. As someone in marketing, one of your titles to an article is labeled “Critical Mass: Bicycling’s Defiant Celebration”. The defenition of DEFIANT is the act of doing something defiantly is to do it even though you have been told not to. To be Disobedient or Disregardful is to be defiant. I think what you are doing is great, but you might want to be more carfeul about how you title your articles, events, etc.

Thank you,
Eric

By: hughillustration

hughillustration — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:13:13 +0000

Thanks for your comments! I really think people should ride with us to see what it’s all about before they judge us. I guarantee you Mr. Well Duh has not done this, but has formed his impressions based on what he has heard in the media. His comments are mean-spirited (and self righteous), but I published them for him anyway just to encourage debate.

By: well duh

well duh — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:42:51 +0000

Well duh. Of course CM is an angry protest. The self righteousness CM has obscures anything fun. The San Jose people just want to ride bikes and enjoy their time out together. You guys are always giving the finger to people (literally) and when people have called out individual people in CM who’ve done some truly horrid things (like when that woman was attacked) you all circle the righteous bikes and call the victim a bad person.

Sorry if your image is bad, but that’s because, well, some of you people can be real assholes, and sorry, but the bad apples spoil the barrel. Clearly San Jose folks still value positive energy and enjoy it immensely. Sucks to be you.

By: routescouter

routescouter — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:29:04 +0000

Hugh,

I’m glad that you and Joel took CalTrain to join us. Too bad you didn’t join us for the “pre-ride” though, we had 35-45+ on each of two pre-rides (6:45 and 7:15pm). Our ride start and end location changes monthly so we may not have/need pre-rides from dt SJ, but we have them from other parts of the city to the respective starting point that month.

Each ride we try to improve, and I’m sure after Friday night we have 5-10 things that need to be corrected and worked on… so we’ll focus on 1-3 of these and modify the Feb route to minimize issues as well.

Please look on the SJ Bike Party website and Facebook pages for information. Hope to see more and more riders from SF, East Bay, etc.

From my interactions, that reaction to CM is a common one in the south bay and if people don’t like a rider’s behavior we do get called CM as well. From the public and from some of the police as well. Many of whom don’t get what we’re trying to do here either.

Thanks again and ride on!

By: meligrosa

meligrosa — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:32:54 +0000

thats awesome, ive been wanting to go for many months, and many of my peeps in sanjo do it often. you raise good points and I am glad that is more and more of active people on bikes that are not turned on by all the shenanigans that are often associated with the CM events.

Recently, while chatting with a fellow blogger from NYC, he expressed how much he was turned off by the way the critical mass experiences were pretty much done with in NY by sadly experiencing only a few dozens of people show up b.c bikers get tickets, have to confront cops and all that. sigh

at any rate, I enjoyed this post lots and makes me wanna ride more often in SJ. cant beat the beautiful weather and mellow peeps either

happy new year hughe &crew
cheers /meli